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It took Nintendo to redefine gaming. Again.

It took Nintendo to redefine gaming. Again.

Nintendo Wii U

Today Nintendo pulled a Nintendo and blew everyone’s minds at E3 2011. They are once again out to reinvent and redefine video gaming, and once again it looks like they might succeed. A few years from now, Microsoft and Sony will be playing “Me-too!” and coming up with some sort of dual-screen gaming setup. Remember this moment, friends, for this will be the time we can remember as “Yeah, but Nintendo invented that…”

But did they invent it? For console gaming, yes; but PC gamers have been doing the multi-monitor bit for quite some time now thanks to things like AMD’s Eyefinity, which makes multi-monitor setup about as simple as it can get.

Of course, game developers have been behind; while Eyefinity makes it possible for PC gamers to experience massive resolutions and immersively wide screens, games don’t really take advantage of the real estate. They just get bigger or present wider vistas. This is in stark contrast to the productivity application industry, where multiple displays have been a paradigm for years. Put your main interface window on one monitor and put your tools or preview box on another. It just makes sense.

It makes sense for games, too, if somebody stepped up to the plate and developed games to operate this way. This is where Nintendo is truly blazing the way.

Now that Nintendo will be bringing multi-monitor gaming to every living room, we will see a big software push for this paradigm. In a first-person shooter, for example, it makes sense for the primary display to be nothing but field-of-view while the secondary device is for HUD stuff; health, ammo, map, and whatnot. Imagine Fallout with an actual Pipboy in your hands. It just makes sense, and once you see it that way one time, you can’t really go back to the old way. HUD information takes up so much space!

Here’s what we know about the technology so far:

  • IBM PowerPC architecture, just like the Wii
  • A “proprietary high-density optical disc format” as well as backward-compatibility with Wii discs
  • AMD GPU, most likely an R700-series
  • Full 1080p support on the main screen (controller screen not yet known, but presumable 1080p so as not to change the experience)
  • 6.2″ touchscreen display on controller
  • Streaming HD to the controller; possibly Intel WiDi

These specs so far push this, even from a strict hardware standpoint, beyond the realm of Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Add a dash of Nintendo’s legendary creativity and we’re sure to see some mindblowing stuff in the next few years.

Yes, we’ll see the inevitable slew of casual and gimmicky titles that force us to use the controller in every possible configuration, but the third party support is a major attitude shift as well.

One thing sticks out on that list: the disc format. With the third-party titles that were announced, and taking into consideration their push into core gaming and full 1080p titles, it could be Blu-ray, which obviously puts Nintendo in a slightly awkward position. “Proprietary” can mean a lot of things though: remember when SEGA put a modified CD-ROM drive in the Dreamcast and called it GD-ROM? We’ll probably see a kind of modified Blu-ray; or maybe we’ll see the resurgence of a single, niche use of HD-DVD for this. It’s fun to speculate.

We still don’t know what the storage technology or capacity, but it’s safe to say it will probably be SD-based in order to maintain backward compatibility; besides, there’s no compelling technical reason to go beyond SD. It’s fast, it works, it’s cheap, and it holds a lot of data. (Update: confirmed. It is SD-card based and also contains 4 USB 2.0 ports).

The physical Wii U unit itself is no bigger than the original Wii, judging by the press pictures we’ve seen so far. Therefore, it has to run cool. We can expect low-power parts from AMD and IBM powering the little wonder.

We’ve also been seeing a lot of sites out there talking about one particular point and getting it totally wrong: Many sites are mentioning four Wii U new controllers per console; according to the latest press release from Nintendo, the Wii U will support one “new controller” per console. It can also power four additional Wii remotes or other standard controllers. The concept of “four different players holding tablets and playing the same game” is most likely not possible with Wii U; it very likely does not have the rendering and CPU power to draw and keep track of four completely independent 1080p displays.

It’s exciting to see what Nintendo and third-parties will do with this new paradigm. However, what’s even more exciting is knowing that this will not only change gamers’ expectations about the way games should look and operate, but developers’ as well. Once developers know that gamers expect dual-screen gaming, they will start developing titles that support it.

It’s a good time to be a gamer.

Comments

  1. Jordan T___T sniff i'm just so happy....
  2. Bandrik
    Bandrik Here are a few more images of the Nintendo Wii U, straight from the Nintendo online press kit. Enjoy!

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    The Nintendo Wii U looks like a cross between the Wii and the original white Xbox 360. Sleek and curvy, looking right at home in any home theater or entertainment setup.

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    The Wii U controller is doubles as a tablet. Dual analog sticks, streamed video... very cool.

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    A view of the underside of the Wii U controller. Notice the L/R triggers and large battery bay.
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    The ability to draw on the Wii U's controller - and see it on the big screen - is fantastic.

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    Similar to the Nintendo DS systems, games can use the lower tough screen for inventories, maps, etc. Just more options for developers to consider and take advantage of.

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    What would a new Nintendo system be without its Mario franchise? Woo-hoo! Yippie!

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    The new Mario game also allows you to play as your Miis. I'm surprised this wasn't done before in the original Mario Wii game (instead of 2 generic Toad folk), but it's still neat.

    So there you have it. The Nintendo Wii U. Overall, it looks pretty sleek. I hope those of you at E3 have fun playing with this. I know I'll be getting one someday... once I know how much one will cost. I have yet to hear any estimates of prices, but I would imagine the console to cost in the $300-400 range, and each controller to easily be $100, if not more. But then again, Nintendo may surprise us by taking a slight hit on profits from consoles and make up for it via software sales.

    Update: it looks like you can only use one tablet-controller (tabtroller? Troller? Tab-wii? Tabby? Whatever) per console. So I guess worrying about 4 of these things isn't an issue anymore.
  3. Garg
    Garg My guess is that the bottleneck preventing multiple handheld screen controllers (need an official name for these things) is the wireless transfer. I'm guessing that because I doubt they'd send 1080p to such a small screen. 720p would be fine for the application and save resources (monetary for screen itself & GPU usage). My guess is that they'd need four WiDi chips (or equivalent tech), which could increase the cost too much. It's too bad, because having two players each with their own hidden playbook or viewpoint would be pretty sweet.

    As far as this thing being more powerful than the PS3 or 360, I think we'll have to wait until we know more about the CPU and memory. Not that it matters, though - it didn't for Wii.

    I've heard that it's not backwards-compatible with Gamecube. Looks like I'll have to get an old one to play some oldies I still haven't gotten around to.
  4. NiGHTS
    NiGHTS FWIW, I'm going to absolutely hate having to look down at my crotch to see ammo/health remaining - that'd be a pretty terrible decision to put that information on a controller. Modern shooters' HUDs don't take up THAT much room on the screen, and they're usually just an opaque number anyway. No visibility is lost as it currently stands.

    I'm all for the handheld device showing you additional information that might be useful, don't get me wrong. I've been waiting for that step to occur for a while. But until third party titles appear that can actually prove that this console is worth picking up (WITHOUT constant gimmicky iterations of the new controller ala the Wii) I'll reserve my excitement for the console.
  5. Anon The controller is not 1080p. It's 960x640 or something like that.
  6. Gate28
    Gate28 I agree with Nights. both the Wii and the U are very good IDEAS. but it takes more than an idea to make a good game. It takes creative developers. Its up to the devs to find a really good use for it, and not just a gimmicky addon for half-assed ports or minigame collections.
  7. Thrax
  8. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm I like how the Wii was all about social, and now only one screened controller can connect at a time. Suddenly puts the focus back on single-person gaming.

    Also: sleek white fits in with an entertainment center, Bandrik? Didn't you wonder why the 360 eventually migrated back to black? :p
  9. mertesn
    mertesn Just take my money, Nintendo. What's your address so I can just start sending paychecks there instead?
  10. Koreish
    Koreish The system itself looks pretty sleek but as a controller that thing looks clunkier than the N64 era controllers.
  11. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    Snarkasm wrote:
    Also: sleek white fits in with an entertainment center, Bandrik? Didn't you wonder why the 360 eventually migrated back to black? :p

    I was referring more to the shape than the color. I'm betting there will eventually be a black version. For those that don't like white, buy an aftermarket shell or paint it yourselves.
  12. Bandrik
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    Here's another controller with a built-in back-lit LCD screen, with built-in speaker, and can stream video. And it comes in black!
  13. kryyst
    kryyst I laughed my ass off when I saw that thing in the earlier mock ups. The controller looks ridiculous and uncomfortable for any real length of play. The Wii's title selection has been pretty much abysmal since launch in terms of developers utterly failing to take advantage of the hardware at a functional level or just simply figuring out how to make the controls work. Given that even the best controlled Wii games still have awkward moments to the motion control elements I don't think the fault is entirely with the dev's. Motion control just doesn't work beyond a gimic or very surface level. Though that isn't just a problem with the Wii, Move and Kinnect suffer similarly.

    I'm sure the console will sell, I'm sure it will actually have some really good games. But it's not going to win the hardcore gaming crowd back and what will likely be a $500 launch price will keep the non-core wii fan base away.

    Nintendo is obsolete on the console front and becoming obsolete on the portable front when compared to iPod, iPad and Android.
  14. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    kryyst wrote:
    I laughed my ass off... Nintendo is obsolete on the console front and becoming obsolete on the portable front when compared to iPod, iPad and Android.

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  15. Jordan @Kryyst President Iwata said it would likely launch for around $250, oh ad your totally right, nintendo is totally obsolete, i mean just because the wii sold more copies than the 360 and the ps3 and that they introduced 3d handheld gaming doesn't mean that they are awesome. Oh and good luck playing one of your "Hardcore" games on an ipod/ipad because i hear thats a REALLY fun experiance
  16. Butters
    Butters
    Jordan wrote:
    just because the wii sold more copies than the 360 and the ps3 and that they introduced 3d handheld gaming doesn't mean that they are awesome.
    Oh and good luck playing on and .. ipod/ipad because i hear thats a REALLY fun experiance

    I love it
  17. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster Anyone that thinks Nintendo is obsolete is fooling themselves.

    Nintendo has churned out many of the greatest successes in consumer electronics history. Nintendo single handedly made gaming mainstream. It all started with businessmen playing rounds of Tetris on their GameBoy's during business trips, and its culminated into nursing homes installing the Wii so the Elderly could enjoy a round of bowling. If you think this is bad for our hobby, you can't be looking at the bigger picture.

    Its this innovation that drives the market and keeps it well invested in so we can still enjoy our "core titles" whatever that means.

    I'll never understand the "core gamers" gripe with Nintendo. You should know, without them, the home and portable gaming market may have never taken off.

    Recognize Sucka!!
  18. kryyst
    kryyst It's not about what nintendo's done it's what they are currently doing. Which is to say farming out 90% crap. Both on the console and on the hand helds. Other touch devices are full of crap too, but at least their crap often only costs $.99. Angry Birds on the DS would likely be a $30 cart. Just stupid.
  19. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    I'll never understand the "core gamers" gripe with Nintendo. You should know, without them, the home and portable gaming market may have never taken off.

    I too have issues with the idea of a "core" or "hardcore" gamer concept. I would rather enjoy a diverse set of games rather than just playing the same dusty brown FPS over and over. I enjoy those games, too, but it doesn't have to be hard-mode "championship edition" each and every time.

    As for the idea of the possibility of video games not taking off without Nintendo, I propose that gaming still would have taken off. It just would have happened differently, and probably at a slightly later time. It may have been almost all on a PC, who knows. But as it stands, yes Nintendo played a huge role in bringing gaming to the masses, and I am grateful for it.
  20. Jordan So nintendo puts out crap? Thats just your opinion, its not exactly a fact, personally i love nintendo games. I would rather play a decent side-scrolling mario or raise a team of pokemon than playing a shooter and no i am not 12,13 or 7, i'm 17 and nintendo is still big in my school. People get together to have mario kart races and battle pokemon AND play team deathmatch in CoD. Why can't people just accept that there are very different types of games and very different types of gamers and stop bashing one type just because they don't like it?
  21. Jordan On a more recent note it looks like activision is fully supporting the wii u, maybe fps lovers and adventure lovers can finally bond over one console? (i apologize for the double post)
  22. Koreish
    Koreish The last thing I want is Activision anywhere near the console or PC brand I'm interested in.
  23. JordanGopie
    JordanGopie
    Koreish wrote:
    The last thing I want is Activision anywhere near the console or PC brand I'm interested in.

    Why? :( are they evil? I don't personally pay a lot of attention to them but i've heard much good about them
  24. primesuspect
    primesuspect Also: Welcome to Icrontic, JordanGopie :)
  25. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm Activision has a reputation for growing or taking over franchises and driving them into the ground. See: Guitar Hero, yearly editions of CoD, etc.
  26. JordanGopie
    JordanGopie
    Snarkasm wrote:
    Activision has a reputation for growing or taking over franchises and driving them into the ground. See: Guitar Hero, yearly editions of CoD, etc.

    Oh boy, and i think that they are in charge of mario kart for the 3ds, well i don't think they can mess that one up that bad...that wasn't a challenge people and thanks prime :D
  27. Koreish
    Koreish They publish good games sure, but as soon as they're deemed good by us Activision then proceeds to milk that franchise for all it's worth. Call of Duty and Guitar Hero are prime examples of how Activision treats their games and their developers.

    Edit: Snark beat me to it.
  28. UPSLynx
    UPSLynx DS/3DS eats iPad/iPod/Android/PSP for breakfast. Nintendo has, and always will win that war. Real Talk.

    I am strangely on the fence about this new system. I just haven't bought in like everyone else, and I don't know why.

    the WiiPad looks clunky and uncomfortable. It's going to be fragile. And only one WiiPad per system.

    Seriously, the one WiiPad / system is what broke me on this. I was extremely excited about the multiplayer prospects of this system when everyone had their own screen (like 4 swords did). Have one super sweet controller while everyone else is stuck with the crummy old Wiimotes just sucks.

    Anyone could have predicted Nintendo's lineup for their conference. "Check it out guys, new Zelda, Mario, Kart, Smash, Metroid, Kirby! You still love those games!" I DO still love those games, and I would still buy and play them, but Nintendo is in dire need of something new. They've been releasing the same games for such a long time now.

    Zelda is the perfect example. Those games haven't truly innovated (on console) since Ocarina came out. I don't expect skyward sword to buck this trend outside of adding better motion controller support.

    I don't know, I was just really hoping that Nintendo would break away from the tired Wii paradigm. Instead, they've augmented it. The trailer of the Devs and third party games that they showed at their press conference gave me a glimmer of hope, but none of those games shown were actually playing on Wii U hardware. Until I actually see real third party titles being developed, I can't use this as an excuse to get excited. They did the same thing for the Wii, and all we got were crappy ports.

    The Wii has gotten the least amount of playtime from me of any console I've ever owned. Sure, part of that is due to my changing life and such, but I haven't even considered buying a game for that system in over two years. I'm having way more fun with my PS3 and PC.

    I just don't know. I'm still going to buy the Wii U, I haven't missed a Nintendo console in my life. I just don't think the Wii U is the answer I was hoping for.

    I have a whole lot of negative, just because without further details, I don't have reason to be more positive yet. I have to admit, the controller will be an awesome interface (that will most likely be abused by 3rd parties). I just wish it would be more useful in the multiplayer use cases.
  29. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    UPSLynx wrote:
    (Lynx said a lot of stuff, which was replaced by this drivel-fluff sentence.

    It looks like UPSLynx and I are thinking along a very similar wavelength. As much as I love the Nintendo characters and all the games, my Wii console has scarcely seen the light of day. I don't even know my own friend code, as I just never had the need to look it up. I haven't bought a new Wii game in 2 years (last one was the Wario Land "Shake it up!" game, which I never broke the shrink wrap). Yeah, there's a lot of games I do want to buy, such as Kirby Epic Yarn, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, etc... but I'm going to wait for price drops or buy used.

    I'm very excited about the Wii U system (aside for the name...), and what it could bring to the Nintendo lineup. A new Smash game sounds great. It all sounds like great fun and all. But time will tell if it'll be another case of "there's about six games worth playing... and a bunch of gimmicky fluff."
  30. Canti
    Canti
    Jordan wrote:
    On a more recent note it looks like activision is fully supporting the wii u, maybe fps lovers and adventure lovers can finally bond over one console? (i apologize for the double post)

    This guy has the most well thought out guest comments I think I've ever seen. Welcome home son. :D

    As far as the one Wii U controller active per system I have a hard time believing that will be a permanent issue with the console. Give it time and I'm sure they'll find a way to make it work with more controllers. I will admit though that the Wii is the only console I've ever bought, played through one game (Twilight Princess), and then sold within a year of getting it. Regardless of how well it sold (like hotcakes) I saw very few games that looked interesting. It did however provide a huge potential for developers to come up with some great ideas and the Wii U looks like it will further that potential even more. I don't expect I'll be getting one anytime soon but I think we'll see some pretty neat stuff to come from it.
  31. Canti
    Canti
    Bandrik wrote:
    "there's about six games worth playing... and a bunch of gimmicky fluff."

    That gimmicky fluff made them a hell of a lot of money. I just hope there is a better balance between fluff and good games this time.
  32. UPSLynx
  33. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster For me, some of the "gimmicky fluff" on the Wii is a huge blessing. Have a kid, work 50 hours a week, plus side work to keep up with your bills, then when it comes game time and your kid wants in, sometimes that easy to pick up and play ten minute experience is the perfect cure to what ails you. I'll go this far to say, the Wii has improved my quality of life. Yes, its a huge statement, but its true and I'm sure many feel the same way. A round of Wii Sports Resort, or Wii Play is a big deal at our house. Its something we all agree is pretty good entertainment.

    The Wii had something for everybody. Why do the "core gamers" whine about the selection of games they don't want? Are there not plenty of lousy games on the 360 and PS3? I guess because they are "core experiences" somehow those suck ass games don't count against the consoles total? Lets get real, look at the history of console gaming, when the smoke blows over and the console is a memory how many machines have more than say a dozen really memorable great titles? If I go into Gamestop today, I don't care what console it is, its going to break down like this, about 50% garbage, 25% ho hum average stuff, 15% good stuff, and 10% that you will remember playing years from now. Its always been this way, its just the nature of it, its like buying music, or going to the movies, or reading, you got to weed through some crap to find the really good stuff. I don't think this problem is exclusive to the Wii.

    Also, lets get real, at least the Wii delivered on its promises. It extended the gaming audience, the console you paid for actually works reliably for years, and Nintendo had the foresight you know, to secure its online network from hackers... Listen, Microsoft and Sony barely know how to run a console division, Nintendo is the pro, they have been at it longer, it is their core business, and yes, they consistently do it better than anyone else.

    Also, look, Sony and Microsoft have essentially copied them, because they know this is what the home console market has voted on. Just because there is Kinect and Move does not mean your not going to get your Halo or Ratchet and Clank sequel's. "Core gamers" casual motion based games are no threat to you! Don't like em, don't play em, but stop whining about them as if they infringe on your space. Home consoles are not just machines for 16 year old boys to enact their adolescent fantasy's on. Get over it.

    I love my Wii, I play with it often. When I play with my own Wii, it won't take my credit card info to spend my money. When I play with my own Wii, it never leaves me in a red ring fit of rage. Playing with my Wii is right for me.
  34. Jordan I love my wii as well and for me, wii sports is an endless source of enjoyment especially with my dad and brother. Although i do wish i wouldn't keep losing to a 7 year old at ddr =( and this is my going to be my new catchphrase: "Playing with my Wii is right for me." xD
  35. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster Jordan,

    In the world there are two kinds of people. Those that love playing with their Wii and those that lie about it....
  36. JordanGopie
    JordanGopie
    Jordan,

    In the world there are two kinds of people. Those that love playing with their Wii and those that lie about it....

    Hey i do love playing with my wii, i have that and an xbox and the games for that aren't suitable for an 8 year old to play so i'm very glad to have an experience to share with my brother. With the wii you can actually have fun playing with your entire family because my dad and myself are hella busy its nice to have something to do with each other
  37. BuddyJ
    BuddyJ I can bowl with my grandpa on the Wii. Can't imagine doing it on any other console or PC.
  38. Cliff_Forster
  39. Canti
  40. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm I want that physical solar system pretty bad.
  41. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    Snarkasm wrote:
    I want that physical solar system pretty bad.

    For all we know, there really is a solar system-sized 360 controller floating around in space. It may be just big enough for UPSLynx to hold it properly. :cool2:
  42. Thrax
    Thrax <S>XBOX HUEG</S> WIIU HUEG
  43. SamPD ... MUST CONQUER NEW SOLAR SYSTEM.
    IT WOULD LOOK NICE IN MY EMPIRE.
  44. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm Did this thing ever come out?
  45. primesuspect
    primesuspect ? No release date has been announced...
  46. Snarkasm
  47. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    Snarkasm wrote:
    Did this thing ever come out?

    It did, but it was in the recent distant future.

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